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Guitar/Bass: [[Osamu Migitera|Des-ROW]]<br>
Guitar/Bass: [[Osamu Migitera|Des-ROW]]<br>
Tenor Saxophone/Trombone: [[Harumi Ueko|Jimmy Weckl]]<br>
Tenor Saxophone/Trombone: [[Harumi Ueko|Jimmy Weckl]]<br>
Recording Engineer (Vocals): Miho Toyoda<br>
Recording Engineer (Horns): [[Yuei Uematsu]]<br>
BPM: 284<br>
BPM: 284<br>
Length: 1:44<br>
Length: 1:44<br>
Movie: ?<br>
Movie: [[Takehiro Nojiri|NOZZY]]<br>
First Music Game Appearance: [[AC GF6DM5|GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX]]<br>
First Music Game Appearance: [[AC GF6DM5|GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX]]<br>
Other Music Game Appearances:
Other Music Game Appearances:
* [[CS GITADORA|GITADORA CS]]
* [[CS MASTERPIECE SILVER|GuitarFreaks & DrumMania MASTERPIECE SILVER]]
* [[AC GFDM XG|GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG]]
* [[AC GFDM XG|GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG]]


== Lyrics ==
== Lyrics ==
=== Japanese ===
=== Game Size ===
==== Japanese ====
<pre>どう思われてるかなんてこコトが 微妙に怖いと思った
<pre>どう思われてるかなんてこコトが 微妙に怖いと思った
こんな風に時を無駄にして 水溜りを蹴散らしてく
こんな風に時を無駄にして 水溜りを蹴散らしてく
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思い切り叩きつけた 自分があった
思い切り叩きつけた 自分があった
何も知らないフリをして 明日は自由が道へ</pre>
何も知らないフリをして 明日は自由が道へ</pre>
==== Romaji ====
<pre>dou omowareteru ka nante ko koto ga bimyou ni kowai to omotta
konnafuuniji wo muda ni shite mizu tamari wo kechirashiteku
sora wa ima yori sumiwatatte boku wa yume no ato
kimi no ashiato tada seotte basho ni narete yuku
kyoumei dekiru nakama wo okiwasuretari
ashita koeru hashi no yokan ni madowasareteru
yuutsusa wo tori midashi ashita mo tsukare gaodesu
yarubeki koto ni oitaterare yasumu koto mo naku
ariki tari no mainichi kara yoko ni sorete iru
kou aritai to negatta risou no kabe ni
omoikiri tatakitsuketa jibun ga atta
nani mo shiranai furi wo shite ashita wa jiyuu ga michi e</pre>
=== Long Version ===
==== Japanese ====
{{hide text|<pre>どう思われるかなんて事が ビミョーに怖いと思った
こんな風に時を無駄にして 水たまりを蹴散らしてく
空は今より澄み渡って ボクは夢の跡
君の足跡ただ背負って 場所に慣れてゆく
ここに名を残すなんて事は 期待もしてない事だった
誰の記憶に残らずとも あるがままにと願った
やるべき事に追いたてられ 休む事もなく
ありきたりの毎日から 横にそれている
共鳴できる仲間を 置き忘れたり
明日越える橋の予感に 惑わされてる
憂鬱さを取り乱し 明日も疲れ顔です
明日を夢見てる君の瞳に ボクはどう映る
かすみゆくボクのこの手で 何一つつかめず
こうありたいと願った 理想の壁に
思いきりたたきつけた 自分があった
何も知らないふりをして 明日も自由が道へ
正しいと信じた ボクの行くべき道
認めたくなかった 自分の為に
歩かずにはいられなく 生きせかされる
逃げることは許されず 進むばかりで
戸惑いを見透かされても ボクらは笑い顔です</pre>}}


== Song Connections / Remixes ==
== Song Connections / Remixes ==
* 正論 is an arrangement of Edward Elgar's'' Op.39 (Pomp and Circumstance Marches), March No.1 in D''.
* 正論 is an arrangement of Edward Elgar's ''Op.39 (Pomp and Circumstance Marches), March No.1 in D''.
** [[Ifuudoudou ~Tutorial yori~|威風堂々 ~チュートリアルより~]] from [[REFLEC BEAT limelight]] is also a re-arrangement of this song.
** [[Ifuudoudou ~tutorial yori~|威風堂々 ~チュートリアルより~]] from [[AC RB limelight|REFLEC BEAT limelight]] is also a re-arrangement of this song.
** A dance remix of Pomp and Circumstance, titled [[Kaze no kanata ni|風のかなたに]], appears in [[CS DDR MARIO|DanceDanceRevolution with MARIO]].
* In the GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX location tests, an instrumental version of 正論 was used. Vocals for the song were later added to the final release of the games.
** Percussion Freaks also uses this instrumental version.
* 正論 is the first song of Ai Suzuki's Seiron (正論) series.
* 正論 is the first song of Ai Suzuki's Seiron (正論) series.
* A full version of 正論 appears on the ''GUITARFREAKS & drummania VOCAL COLLECTION'' album.
* A long version of 正論, titled ''正論 (Full Version)'', appears on the [[GUITARFREAKS & drummania VOCAL COLLECTION]] album.


== Trivia ==
== Trivia ==
* 正論 marks the debut of Ai Suzuki in the GuitarFreaks & DrumMania series.
{{Gallery}}
* 正論 is available in GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG as an unlockable song in Jukebox #3 (9/29/2010-11/14/2010). As of 11/26/2010, the song has been made automatically available in Standard Mode.
* 正論 marks the debut of Ai Suzuki in BEMANI.
* 正論 was supposed to appear on the [[Cancelled Games|cancelled game カラオケレボリューション BEMANIシリーズセレクション]].
* 正論's title translates to "A sound/just argument".
* The girl and dog from 正論's video, as well as cosmo and vitamin, the girl and dog from [[Sotto.|そっと。]]'s video, make a cameo in [[Souhaku|蒼白]]'s video, appearing as silhouettes.
* Official Christmas and New Year's themed artworks of the characters from 正論's video were on the GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX official website for a limited time from late December 2001 to early January 2002, as evidenced by the [https://web.archive.org/web/20150507163225/http://www.konami.jp/am/guitar/guitar6/what/what.html site updates page] (archived). However, they are currently lost and cannot be viewed today.
** The Christmas-themed artwork was remade into a mobile wallpaper in late 2003, available for download through the KONAMI NET DX service.
* 正論 is available in GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG as an unlockable song in JukeBox #3 (September 29th, 2010).
** As of November 26th, 2010, it has been automatically unlocked into Standard Mode.
* 正論 was supposed to appear in the cancelled game [[Cancelled Games#Karaoke Revolution BEMANI series selection|カラオケレボリューション BEMANIシリーズセレクション]].
* 正論 (CLASSIC) could be unlocked in [[AC GD EXCHAIN|GITADORA EXCHAIN]] as one of the ''GF&DM CHRONICLE'' 1999~2002 songs from March 7th, 2019, by playing seven credits.
** In [[AC GD NEX+AGE|GITADORA NEX+AGE]], it could be unlocked from March 15th to June 21st, 2020 and from October 28th to November 29th, 2020 as part of the ''Thank you! GITADORA 21st kanshasai'' (サンキュー! ギタドラ21st感謝祭) event.
*** It could also be unlocked from July 8th to August 2nd, 2020 and from December 2nd, 2020 to January 3rd, 2021 as part of the ''GITADORA wo tomodachi to issho ni play shiyou!! Campaign'' (GITADORAを友達と一緒にプレーしよう!!キャンペーン).
** As of [[AC GD FUZZ-UP|GITADORA FUZZ-UP]], it is available by default.


== Song Production Information ==
== Song Production Information ==
Untranslated.
=== Hideyuki Ono ===
The chorus of this song is a cover of one of my favorite songs, Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance". The melody line is beautiful. I've always wanted to cover a classical song in a punk style, with solid bass and guitar, solid horns, and vocals on top of it. The singing melody is a difficult line with a wide range of notes, but Ai Suzuki sang it with great sharpness.
 
=== Musician's Room 3 ===
Did you read the [https://web.archive.org/web/20150507163221fw_/http://www.konami.jp/am/guitar/sd3/column/column_02.html Seiron interview] in the Column section? If you haven't, please read it. The chorus is the march song "Pomp and Circumstance" / Elgar. Actually, "Pomp and Circumstance" has been used in various commercials. But it doesn't have a punk version anywhere else. Until now. The original song is relaxing and the sound of the orchestra is very pleasant.


== Video Production Information ==
== Video Production Information ==
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== Difficulty & Notecounts ==
== Difficulty & Notecounts ==
GF/DM difficulty rated from 1 to 99.<br>
GF/DM difficulty rated from 1 to 99.<br>
GF/DM XG and GITADORA difficulty rated from 0.00 to 9.99. (Ratings obtained from Konami official game websites and [http://bemaniwiki.com/ BEMANIWiki 2nd].)
GF/DM XG and GITADORA difficulty rated from 0.00 to 9.99. (Ratings obtained from Konami official game websites and [http://bemaniwiki.com/ BEMANIWiki 2nd] and [[GITADORA Rating Sources]].)


=== GuitarFreaks & DrumMania ===
=== GuitarFreaks & DrumMania ===
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{{Seiron}}
{{Seiron}}


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