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Source on who the artist is? If it's not revealed yet and there are no mention anywhere of the artist being a different person instead of an alias, then brackets should be removed.
== My take on this person ==
I don't feel like doing a twitlonger post for one alias and that alias article I did now likely requires a big update as lots of stuff got revealed. So I'm doing it here, also helps since other people in remywiki can more easily reply. Lastly I do really hate twitlonger's text format which makes posts look like unreadable blocks of text - here I can at least index stuff.
 
Here we go-<br>
Tsukasa is one artist and definitely not an inhouse person. Why it's not:
* Always a huge deal when an inhouse artist is hired and Konami makes it clear so, see how they introduced 8284, SYUNN or even MarL. Tsukasa has been fully ignored to this day in terms of highlight.
* Now of course you say "but EOOZ?" yeah but EOOZ is an alias of somebody, not a new person, and besides Konami only gave an interest once by highlighting him in the last jubeat OSTS'. Tsukasa has appeared multiple times but all in the same game; if it was an inhouse person behind that name, you might have seen Tsukasa on multiple games rather than just RB (ala Project B-).
* Tsukasa has a twitter account https://twitter.com/kaminosetsukasa. This twitter account was made in Dec 2016 but wasn't used until mid 2017, and it's scarcely used, proving it's someone else with already a main twitter account that can't be bothered too much logging into another one and so on; plus the location name kinda comes off as a joke. Either way, newer inhouse artists don't have any active social media because Konami orders them to not do so; definitive proof that Tsukasa is a commissioned person.
 
Now the fun part, who's Tsukasa. Tsukaka is most certainly [[Masaya Oya|Camellia]]. Might be as shocking as it gets but it doesn't seem to be so off the mark.
* The first most noticeable clue was Camellia on twitter promoting [[Dracophobia]] to be voted for the Bemani monthly song rankings (tweet in question https://twitter.com/cametek/status/821698946917511169), out of the blue. You'd say it's, ok, for an artist just promoting a different song for a change but this is apparently (I'm pretty sure of it, usually if I see something weird I would remember it) the only time I've seen it happen from any artist (EDIT: ok he did it with [[GuNGNiR]] too but that's a pretty important sequel made by an artist he knows very well). Dracophobia at that time could only be accessed by few players and the lineout on youtube for it was well-hidden, and it's very strange that Camellia would favor a preview of a song like this between all that was on Reflesia's launch version. It's like "huh"?
* I almost never see the Kaminose word being thrown around (I guess it's an existing surname by looking at google) but Camellia brought it up in a random joke tweet https://twitter.com/cametek/status/790256476044394497. It adds up to all the clues.
** Kaminose -> Kameria - I doubt there are any matching there but Tsukasa Kaminose is written in Hiragana (is it hiragana right? Anyway not romanized), which is what Camellia always does.
* Kaminose's twitter posts don't suggest anything but Camellia has done #otogator tweets.
** The followers/following lists are instead more crucial. You can take a look at them and the first few people of both lists appear to be big doujin artists, including nanahira and that one guy who runs the Binzoko doujin label. USAO too. Why Tsukasa, living pianoman, would follow all these people? And when the twitter account finally started to be active, several doujin people started to follow him immediately like if it's they already clearly know the identity. Genki retweeted the REFLECBEAT post and that guy's a big Camellia pal.
*** If you haven't noticed already Tsukasa is not followed by Camellia, nor he follows Camellia. Which is massively weird considering: 1. the doujin people in those follower lists and 2. Camellia retweeting Tsukasa's posts and favoring his songs. The situation is almost identical to [[LEMON SUMMER]]'s Paitan twitter (aka Genki).
 
That was so far about the social side of the alias, and already by there it's hard to disprove the theory unless it's a gigantic troll (but then why baiting people over three songs?). So I'll take the matter further in a more subjective way regarding the songs and sounds.
* Tsukasa's songs have been mostly deemed "clusterfucks" - complex song structures, very chaotic, hardly a "dull" or slow moment at all. This is how Camellia songs generally are, he is known to cram as many sounds as possible into songs, sometimes a bit too much over the top like Dracophobia does (as an example). In comparison, Akhuta's songs are mellow and the style is different - Tsukasa comes closer to jazz, Akhuta's piano songs come closer to classical/downtempo/gothic or something like that.
* The last released Tsukasa song, [[Gensou suisei tansa ryodan|幻蒼彗星探査旅団]], has an uncanny resemblance to Camellia's jazz stuff; anybody who religiously follows Camellia can attest; personally, I felt it from the very first listen. Even people who listened [[Routing]] a million times can immediately spot the similarities in style as well as some same synths. Whatever equipment was used for the piano in that Tsukasa song seems to be the same Routing one I believe. Lastly mind once again, Camellia songs never calm down, neither Tsukasa's. Song style matters as much as the sounds.
* Last trivia, a Camellia song off ''Neuropolis III'' ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nh4YcDDZ2o this one], enjoy too cause it's hot lol), which is tech-dance, features background piano. The interlude at 2:10 is definitely out of Tsukasa's mind, the feel/style as well as how the piano is used. Also yeah, the song is called "Pianoman", relatable to Kaminose who has a piano as a twitter avatar icon.
 
end --[[User:UBerserker|UBerserker]] ([[User talk:UBerserker|talk]]) 21:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 
* This was a good read, thanks for posting it. I also thought "yeah, he's not a new person" once I heard 幻蒼彗星探査旅団, it reminded me of the odd [[Pluto]] remix that Camellia did a long time ago. --[[User:FinalOffset|FinalOffset]] ([[User talk:FinalOffset|talk]]) 00:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
--[[User:UB|UB]] ([[User talk:UB|talk]]) 06:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
* In 2020 Camellia released his Xronial Xero album. Track 13 is a collab between him and this person. To date, this person has still not appeared outside of Bemani except for that one track on Xronial Xero. Furthermore this track is one of the tracks that is available for digital download on amazon.jp, which implies that Camellia controls the rights to it. (Unlike 7 other tracks on that album.) I think that implies a kors k / teranoid connection. --[[User:Catastrophe|Catastrophe]] ([[User talk:Catastrophe|talk]]) 19:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
** Ye ye I know, that name appearing on the album is what closed the circle definitely --[[User:UB|UB]] ([[User talk:UB|talk]]) 06:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:59, 24 August 2021

My take on this person

I don't feel like doing a twitlonger post for one alias and that alias article I did now likely requires a big update as lots of stuff got revealed. So I'm doing it here, also helps since other people in remywiki can more easily reply. Lastly I do really hate twitlonger's text format which makes posts look like unreadable blocks of text - here I can at least index stuff.

Here we go-
Tsukasa is one artist and definitely not an inhouse person. Why it's not:

  • Always a huge deal when an inhouse artist is hired and Konami makes it clear so, see how they introduced 8284, SYUNN or even MarL. Tsukasa has been fully ignored to this day in terms of highlight.
  • Now of course you say "but EOOZ?" yeah but EOOZ is an alias of somebody, not a new person, and besides Konami only gave an interest once by highlighting him in the last jubeat OSTS'. Tsukasa has appeared multiple times but all in the same game; if it was an inhouse person behind that name, you might have seen Tsukasa on multiple games rather than just RB (ala Project B-).
  • Tsukasa has a twitter account https://twitter.com/kaminosetsukasa. This twitter account was made in Dec 2016 but wasn't used until mid 2017, and it's scarcely used, proving it's someone else with already a main twitter account that can't be bothered too much logging into another one and so on; plus the location name kinda comes off as a joke. Either way, newer inhouse artists don't have any active social media because Konami orders them to not do so; definitive proof that Tsukasa is a commissioned person.

Now the fun part, who's Tsukasa. Tsukaka is most certainly Camellia. Might be as shocking as it gets but it doesn't seem to be so off the mark.

  • The first most noticeable clue was Camellia on twitter promoting Dracophobia to be voted for the Bemani monthly song rankings (tweet in question https://twitter.com/cametek/status/821698946917511169), out of the blue. You'd say it's, ok, for an artist just promoting a different song for a change but this is apparently (I'm pretty sure of it, usually if I see something weird I would remember it) the only time I've seen it happen from any artist (EDIT: ok he did it with GuNGNiR too but that's a pretty important sequel made by an artist he knows very well). Dracophobia at that time could only be accessed by few players and the lineout on youtube for it was well-hidden, and it's very strange that Camellia would favor a preview of a song like this between all that was on Reflesia's launch version. It's like "huh"?
  • I almost never see the Kaminose word being thrown around (I guess it's an existing surname by looking at google) but Camellia brought it up in a random joke tweet https://twitter.com/cametek/status/790256476044394497. It adds up to all the clues.
    • Kaminose -> Kameria - I doubt there are any matching there but Tsukasa Kaminose is written in Hiragana (is it hiragana right? Anyway not romanized), which is what Camellia always does.
  • Kaminose's twitter posts don't suggest anything but Camellia has done #otogator tweets.
    • The followers/following lists are instead more crucial. You can take a look at them and the first few people of both lists appear to be big doujin artists, including nanahira and that one guy who runs the Binzoko doujin label. USAO too. Why Tsukasa, living pianoman, would follow all these people? And when the twitter account finally started to be active, several doujin people started to follow him immediately like if it's they already clearly know the identity. Genki retweeted the REFLECBEAT post and that guy's a big Camellia pal.
      • If you haven't noticed already Tsukasa is not followed by Camellia, nor he follows Camellia. Which is massively weird considering: 1. the doujin people in those follower lists and 2. Camellia retweeting Tsukasa's posts and favoring his songs. The situation is almost identical to LEMON SUMMER's Paitan twitter (aka Genki).

That was so far about the social side of the alias, and already by there it's hard to disprove the theory unless it's a gigantic troll (but then why baiting people over three songs?). So I'll take the matter further in a more subjective way regarding the songs and sounds.

  • Tsukasa's songs have been mostly deemed "clusterfucks" - complex song structures, very chaotic, hardly a "dull" or slow moment at all. This is how Camellia songs generally are, he is known to cram as many sounds as possible into songs, sometimes a bit too much over the top like Dracophobia does (as an example). In comparison, Akhuta's songs are mellow and the style is different - Tsukasa comes closer to jazz, Akhuta's piano songs come closer to classical/downtempo/gothic or something like that.
  • The last released Tsukasa song, 幻蒼彗星探査旅団, has an uncanny resemblance to Camellia's jazz stuff; anybody who religiously follows Camellia can attest; personally, I felt it from the very first listen. Even people who listened Routing a million times can immediately spot the similarities in style as well as some same synths. Whatever equipment was used for the piano in that Tsukasa song seems to be the same Routing one I believe. Lastly mind once again, Camellia songs never calm down, neither Tsukasa's. Song style matters as much as the sounds.
  • Last trivia, a Camellia song off Neuropolis III (this one, enjoy too cause it's hot lol), which is tech-dance, features background piano. The interlude at 2:10 is definitely out of Tsukasa's mind, the feel/style as well as how the piano is used. Also yeah, the song is called "Pianoman", relatable to Kaminose who has a piano as a twitter avatar icon.

end --UBerserker (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

  • This was a good read, thanks for posting it. I also thought "yeah, he's not a new person" once I heard 幻蒼彗星探査旅団, it reminded me of the odd Pluto remix that Camellia did a long time ago. --FinalOffset (talk) 00:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

--UB (talk) 06:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

  • In 2020 Camellia released his Xronial Xero album. Track 13 is a collab between him and this person. To date, this person has still not appeared outside of Bemani except for that one track on Xronial Xero. Furthermore this track is one of the tracks that is available for digital download on amazon.jp, which implies that Camellia controls the rights to it. (Unlike 7 other tracks on that album.) I think that implies a kors k / teranoid connection. --Catastrophe (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
    • Ye ye I know, that name appearing on the album is what closed the circle definitely --UB (talk) 06:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)