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BPM: 284<br>
BPM: 284<br>
Length: 1:44<br>
Length: 1:44<br>
Movie: ?<br>
Movie: [[Takehiro Nojiri|NOZZY]]<br>
First Music Game Appearance: [[AC GF6DM5|GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX]]<br>
First Music Game Appearance: [[AC GF6DM5|GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX]]<br>
Other Music Game Appearances:
Other Music Game Appearances:
* [[CS GD|GITADORA (Mobile)]]
* [[CS GFDM MPS|GuitarFreaks & DrumMania MASTERPIECE SILVER]]
* [[AC GFDM XG|GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG]]
* [[AC GFDM XG|GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG]]


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** A dance remix of Pomp and Circumstance, titled [[Kaze no kanata ni|風のかなたに]], appears in [[CS DDR MARIO|DanceDanceRevolution with MARIO]].
** A dance remix of Pomp and Circumstance, titled [[Kaze no kanata ni|風のかなたに]], appears in [[CS DDR MARIO|DanceDanceRevolution with MARIO]].
* In the GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX location tests, an instrumental version of 正論 was used. Vocals for the song were later added to the final release of the games.
* In the GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX location tests, an instrumental version of 正論 was used. Vocals for the song were later added to the final release of the games.
** However, Percussion Freaks also use an instrumental version.
** Percussion Freaks also uses this instrumental version.
* 正論 is the first song of Ai Suzuki's Seiron (正論) series.
* 正論 is the first song of Ai Suzuki's Seiron (正論) series.
* A long version of 正論, titled ''正論 (Full Version)'', appears on the [[GUITARFREAKS & drummania VOCAL COLLECTION]] album.
* A long version of 正論, titled ''正論 (Full Version)'', appears on the [[GUITARFREAKS & drummania VOCAL COLLECTION]] album.
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{{Gallery}}
{{Gallery}}
* 正論 marks the debut of Ai Suzuki in BEMANI.
* 正論 marks the debut of Ai Suzuki in BEMANI.
* 正論's title translates to "A sound/just argument".
* The girl and dog from 正論's video, as well as cosmo and vitamin, the girl and dog from [[Sotto.|そっと。]]'s video, make a cameo in [[Souhaku|蒼白]]'s video, appearing as silhouettes.
* Official Christmas and New Year's themed artworks of the characters from 正論's video were on the GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX official website for a limited time from late December 2001 to early January 2002, as evidenced by the [https://web.archive.org/web/20150507163225/http://www.konami.jp/am/guitar/guitar6/what/what.html site updates page] (archived). However, they are currently lost and cannot be viewed today.
** The Christmas-themed artwork was remade into a mobile wallpaper in late 2003, available for download through the KONAMI NET DX service.
* 正論 is available in GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG as an unlockable song in JukeBox #3 (September 29th, 2010).
* 正論 is available in GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG as an unlockable song in JukeBox #3 (September 29th, 2010).
** As of November 26th, 2010, it has been automatically unlocked into Standard Mode.
** As of November 26th, 2010, it has been automatically unlocked into Standard Mode.
* 正論 was supposed to appear in the cancelled game [[Cancelled Games#Karaoke Revolution BEMANI series selection|カラオケレボリューション BEMANIシリーズセレクション]].
* 正論 was supposed to appear in the cancelled game [[Cancelled Games#Karaoke Revolution BEMANI series selection|カラオケレボリューション BEMANIシリーズセレクション]].
* 正論 (CLASSIC) can be unlocked in [[AC GD EXCHAIN|GITADORA EXCHAIN]] as one of the ''GF&DM CHRONICLE'' 1999～2002 songs from March 7th, 2019, by playing seven credits.
* 正論 (CLASSIC) could be unlocked in [[AC GD EXCHAIN|GITADORA EXCHAIN]] as one of the ''GF&DM CHRONICLE'' 1999～2002 songs from March 7th, 2019, by playing seven credits.
** In [[AC GD NEX+AGE|GITADORA NEX+AGE]], it could be unlocked from March 15th to June 21st, 2020 and from October 28th to November 29th, 2020 as part of the ''Thank you! GITADORA 21st kanshasai'' (サンキュー! ギタドラ21st感謝祭) event.
*** It could also be unlocked from July 8th to August 2nd, 2020 and from December 2nd, 2020 to January 3rd, 2021 as part of the ''GITADORA wo tomodachi to issho ni play shiyou!! Campaign'' (GITADORAを友達と一緒にプレーしよう!!キャンペーン).
** As of [[AC GD FUZZ-UP|GITADORA FUZZ-UP]], it is available by default.


== Song Production Information ==
== Song Production Information ==
Untranslated.
=== Hideyuki Ono ===
The chorus of this song is a cover of one of my favorite songs, Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance". The melody line is beautiful. I've always wanted to cover a classical song in a punk style, with solid bass and guitar, solid horns, and vocals on top of it. The singing melody is a difficult line with a wide range of notes, but Ai Suzuki sang it with great sharpness.
 
=== Musician's Room 3 ===
Did you read the [https://web.archive.org/web/20150507163221fw_/http://www.konami.jp/am/guitar/sd3/column/column_02.html Seiron interview] in the Column section? If you haven't, please read it. The chorus is the march song "Pomp and Circumstance" / Elgar. Actually, "Pomp and Circumstance" has been used in various commercials. But it doesn't have a punk version anywhere else. Until now. The original song is relaxing and the sound of the orchestra is very pleasant.


== Video Production Information ==
== Video Production Information ==
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== Difficulty & Notecounts ==
== Difficulty & Notecounts ==
GF/DM difficulty rated from 1 to 99.<br>
GuitarFreaks & DrumMania difficulty rated from 1 to 99 from GUITARFREAKS 5thMIX & drummania 4thMIX onwards.<br>
GF/DM XG and GITADORA difficulty rated from 0.00 to 9.99. (Ratings obtained from Konami official game websites and [http://bemaniwiki.com/ BEMANIWiki 2nd].)
GuitarFreaks & DrumMania XG and GITADORA difficulty rated from 0.00 to 9.99. (Ratings obtained from Konami official game websites and [http://bemaniwiki.com/ BEMANIWiki 2nd] and [[GITADORA Rating Sources]].)


=== GuitarFreaks & DrumMania ===
=== GuitarFreaks & DrumMania ===
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[[Category:Songs]]
[[Category:Songs]]
[[Category:GFDM Songs]]
[[Category:GuitarFreaks & DrumMania Songs]]
[[Category:GFDM XG & GITADORA Songs]]
[[Category:GuitarFreaks & DrumMania XG & GITADORA Songs]]

Latest revision as of 02:50, 11 September 2024

正論

Song Information

正論's jacket.

Artist: 鈴木愛
Composition: Hideyuki Ono, Elgar
Arrangement/Trumpet/Drum Programming: Hideyuki Ono
Lyrics/Vocals: Ai Suzuki
Guitar/Bass: Des-ROW
Tenor Saxophone/Trombone: Jimmy Weckl
Recording Engineer (Vocals): Miho Toyoda
Recording Engineer (Horns): Yuei Uematsu
BPM: 284
Length: 1:44
Movie: NOZZY
First Music Game Appearance: GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX
Other Music Game Appearances:

Lyrics

Game Size

Japanese

どう思われてるかなんてこコトが 微妙に怖いと思った
こんな風に時を無駄にして 水溜りを蹴散らしてく

空は今より澄み渡って 僕は夢の後
君の足跡ただ背負って 場所に慣れてゆく

共鳴できる仲間を 置き忘れたり
明日越える橋の予感に　惑わされてる
憂鬱さをとり乱し　明日も疲れ顔です

やるべきことに追い立てられ 休むことも無く
ありきたりの毎日から 横にそれている

こうありたいと願った 理想の壁に
思い切り叩きつけた　自分があった
何も知らないフリをして 明日は自由が道へ

Romaji

dou omowareteru ka nante ko koto ga bimyou ni kowai to omotta
konnafuuniji wo muda ni shite mizu tamari wo kechirashiteku

sora wa ima yori sumiwatatte boku wa yume no ato
kimi no ashiato tada seotte basho ni narete yuku

kyoumei dekiru nakama wo okiwasuretari
ashita koeru hashi no yokan ni madowasareteru
yuutsusa wo tori midashi ashita mo tsukare gaodesu

yarubeki koto ni oitaterare yasumu koto mo naku
ariki tari no mainichi kara yoko ni sorete iru

kou aritai to negatta risou no kabe ni
omoikiri tatakitsuketa jibun ga atta
nani mo shiranai furi wo shite ashita wa jiyuu ga michi e

Long Version

Japanese

どう思われるかなんて事が　ビミョーに怖いと思った
こんな風に時を無駄にして　水たまりを蹴散らしてく

空は今より澄み渡って　ボクは夢の跡
君の足跡ただ背負って　場所に慣れてゆく

ここに名を残すなんて事は　期待もしてない事だった
誰の記憶に残らずとも　あるがままにと願った

やるべき事に追いたてられ　休む事もなく
ありきたりの毎日から　横にそれている

共鳴できる仲間を　置き忘れたり
明日越える橋の予感に　惑わされてる
憂鬱さを取り乱し　明日も疲れ顔です

明日を夢見てる君の瞳に　ボクはどう映る
かすみゆくボクのこの手で　何一つつかめず

こうありたいと願った　理想の壁に
思いきりたたきつけた　自分があった
何も知らないふりをして　明日も自由が道へ

正しいと信じた　ボクの行くべき道
認めたくなかった　自分の為に

歩かずにはいられなく　生きせかされる
逃げることは許されず　進むばかりで
戸惑いを見透かされても　ボクらは笑い顔です

Song Connections / Remixes

Trivia

This song has different backgrounds, banners, jackets, or other related images. For more information, please see this page.
  • 正論 marks the debut of Ai Suzuki in BEMANI.
  • 正論's title translates to "A sound/just argument".
  • The girl and dog from 正論's video, as well as cosmo and vitamin, the girl and dog from そっと。's video, make a cameo in 蒼白's video, appearing as silhouettes.
  • Official Christmas and New Year's themed artworks of the characters from 正論's video were on the GUITARFREAKS 6thMIX & drummania 5thMIX official website for a limited time from late December 2001 to early January 2002, as evidenced by the site updates page (archived). However, they are currently lost and cannot be viewed today.
    • The Christmas-themed artwork was remade into a mobile wallpaper in late 2003, available for download through the KONAMI NET DX service.
  • 正論 is available in GuitarFreaksXG & DrumManiaXG as an unlockable song in JukeBox #3 (September 29th, 2010).
    • As of November 26th, 2010, it has been automatically unlocked into Standard Mode.
  • 正論 was supposed to appear in the cancelled game カラオケレボリューション BEMANIシリーズセレクション.
  • 正論 (CLASSIC) could be unlocked in GITADORA EXCHAIN as one of the GF&DM CHRONICLE 1999～2002 songs from March 7th, 2019, by playing seven credits.
    • In GITADORA NEX+AGE, it could be unlocked from March 15th to June 21st, 2020 and from October 28th to November 29th, 2020 as part of the Thank you! GITADORA 21st kanshasai (サンキュー! ギタドラ21st感謝祭) event.
      • It could also be unlocked from July 8th to August 2nd, 2020 and from December 2nd, 2020 to January 3rd, 2021 as part of the GITADORA wo tomodachi to issho ni play shiyou!! Campaign (GITADORAを友達と一緒にプレーしよう!!キャンペーン).
    • As of GITADORA FUZZ-UP, it is available by default.

Song Production Information

Hideyuki Ono

The chorus of this song is a cover of one of my favorite songs, Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance". The melody line is beautiful. I've always wanted to cover a classical song in a punk style, with solid bass and guitar, solid horns, and vocals on top of it. The singing melody is a difficult line with a wide range of notes, but Ai Suzuki sang it with great sharpness.

Musician's Room 3

Did you read the Seiron interview in the Column section? If you haven't, please read it. The chorus is the march song "Pomp and Circumstance" / Elgar. Actually, "Pomp and Circumstance" has been used in various commercials. But it doesn't have a punk version anywhere else. Until now. The original song is relaxing and the sound of the orchestra is very pleasant.

Video Production Information

None.

Difficulty & Notecounts

GuitarFreaks & DrumMania difficulty rated from 1 to 99 from GUITARFREAKS 5thMIX & drummania 4thMIX onwards.
GuitarFreaks & DrumMania XG and GITADORA difficulty rated from 0.00 to 9.99. (Ratings obtained from Konami official game websites and BEMANIWiki 2nd and GITADORA Rating Sources.)

GuitarFreaks & DrumMania

Original Series

Game Drum Guitar Bass Open
Basic Advanced Extreme Basic Advanced Extreme Basic Advanced Extreme Basic Advanced Extreme
Notecounts 610 995 1057 414 516 511 535 535 - - - -
GF6/dm5 51 71 89 55 61 72 N/A N/A - - - -
GF7/dm6 ↓40 ↓64 ↓68 ↓28 ↓31 ↓44 N/A N/A - - - -
GF8/dm7 40 ↓63 ↓66 ↑30 ↑33 ↑48 36 38 - - - -
GF9/dm8→GF/DM V2 40 63 66 ↓29 ↓32 ↓47 ↓35 38 - - - -
GF/DM V3→V8 40 63 ↑72 29 32 ↑57 35 38 - - - -
GITADORA EXCHAIN 5.10 6.90 7.20 3.70 4.00 6.70 4.60 5.50 - - - -
GITADORA NEX+AGE→Present ↑5.15 ↑6.95 ↑7.25 ↑3.85 ↑4.10 ↑6.75 ↑4.70 ↑5.55 - - - -
GF/DM MASTERPIECE SILVER 40 63 66 29 32 47 35 38 - - - -
コナステ GITADORA 5.15 6.95 7.25 3.85 4.10 6.75 4.70 5.55 - - - -

XG & GITADORA Series

Game Drum Guitar Bass
Basic Advanced Extreme Master Basic Advanced Extreme Master Basic Advanced Extreme Master
Notecounts 610 889 1057 - 379 516 516 - 360 535 535 -
GF/DM XG→XG3 3.80 4.95 6.30 - 3.50 4.50 7.10 - 2.55 4.50 5.10 -
GITADORA→Tri-Boost ↑4.55 ↑5.55 ↑6.80 - ↑4.30 ↑5.20 ↑7.50 - ↑3.40 ↑5.15 ↑5.70 -
GITADORA Tri-Boost Re:EVOLVE ↓4.35 ↓5.45 ↑6.90 - ↓3.90 ↓4.80 ↓7.35 - ↑3.50 ↓4.55 ↓5.45 -
GITADORA Matixx ↑4.85 ↑6.10 ↑7.15 - ↑4.25 ↑5.25 ↑7.65 - ↑3.75 ↑5.10 ↑6.10 -
GITADORA EXCHAIN ↑5.20 ↑6.45 ↑7.40 - ↓4.10 ↓5.20 ↑7.95 - ↓3.55 5.10 ↑6.15 -
GITADORA NEX+AGE ↑5.25 6.45 7.40 - 4.10 5.20 ↑8.00 - 3.55 ↑5.15 ↑6.20 -
GITADORA HIGH-VOLTAGE ↑5.40 6.45 7.40 - ↑4.50 ↑5.75 ↑8.20 - ↑3.80 ↑5.70 ↑6.55 -
GITADORA FUZZ-UP→Present 5.40 ↑6.75 7.40 - 4.50 5.75 8.20 - 3.80 5.70 6.55 -
GITADORA (Mobile) 4.55 5.55 6.80 - 4.30 5.20 7.50 - 3.40 5.15 5.70 -
コナステ GITADORA 5.25 6.45 7.40 - 4.10 5.20 8.00 - 3.55 5.15 6.20 -
鈴木愛's 正論 series of songs
正論 - そっと。 - 蒼白
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